Some thoughts on Forgiveness...


I receive several comments and mails urging me to forgive.
I have nothing against forgiveness. Forgiveness frees.
However I do have a problem and am stuck...so maybe you can help me.

How on earth does one forgive when the slight, abuse, humiliation, cruelty, destruction, annihilation is ongoing....Day in, day out. How?

Forgiveness necessitates truce, a time out, a moment of peace...
Forgiveness necessitates distance from the predator, from the abuser.It also needs a time of healing. It needs amends, corrections, rectifications, for all the damage.
How on earth can you expect anyone to forgive when none of the above conditions are there?

And moreover, why do you expect me, us, Iraqis to forgive you when there is no intention or change of course on your part?

What are we supposed to do with our dead ones, our injured ones, our memories, our lost hopes, our vanished dreams? What are we supposed to do with our exile, our losses, our uprootedness?

And even if we suddenly metamorphose into sainthood, what do we do with your presence in our faces?

Christ was crucified once. He was able to forgive. It was a one time affair.
But you are crucifying us daily. Daily, since your Desert Storm. And ever since you have done nothing but blow more sand in our eyes.

So how do I forgive? You tell me...

And assuming I have managed to do so.
Will the Tigris and the Euphrates forgive you ?
Will the dead fish and the floating corpses forgive you?

Imagine I forgave you.

Will the deliberately burned down palm trees forgive you?
Will the ruins forgive you?
Will the polluted earth with your toxic waste forgive you?
Will the walls of this city and its crumbled roofs forgive you?

Will Iraq ever forgive you?

I am the wrong person to ask forgiveness from. Ask Her.
But before you ask Her, stop doing what you are doing.
You cannot continue in your ways and ask for forgiveness. It is simply not possible.

In the meantime, She will continue driving you out by the same and equal sheer force that you have used on Her.
Read Her history and you will know.
And trust me, you will come begging for Her Mercy.


Painting: Iraqi female artist, Nadia Mohammed Yass.

Comments

G.Gar said…
Salam Layla,

Don't forgive anyone Layla, especially Arabs. Jesus was not man. You will eventually win, that is very obvious.

Maybe am wrong, but I have noticed some change in you last 2 posts. It seems as if you have been seeing some light looming up in the distance; despite of all the savage darkness wrapping our beloved Iraq.

I sense that you have become more optmistic. If I'm right, then you have every right to be so.
Anonymous said…
interesting picture
Anonymous said…
forgive who layla?? do you blame every man, woman and child who live in the countries that attacked iraq?
Anonymous said…
amre el-mupeeto i would appreciate it if u didn't sneak in before me next time
Anonymous said…
layla what about muslims living in countries that attacked....are they to blame too? what about non-whites??? what about arabs living abroad? what about little deer???
Anonymous said…
jr,

you can also argue, that not all iraq is suffering...

"you", a non-specific second person plural pronoun; all, even if you did not invade, even if you are a muslim in india for instance, and you are one who could have acted but decided to sit back and let it happen is to be blamed...

its not about individuals, its about societies... societies suffer and societies bear the responsibility...

French, Germans, and others who did not decide to invade (not because they are historically more ethical, just because it was so bluntly evil), are to blame, as they continued their sick love-making with the invaders.. all of them are to be blamed...

the people of US, UK, Denmark, Australia, Japan, Poland. they will never be forgiven; neither by us and nor by the history... hopefully they will pay back one day, with their peace, blood and in fact with everything that has any worth...
Anonymous said…
anon what about those iraqis who didn't fight against the occupation? they did not act either ....are they to be blamed too?

"even if you are a muslim in india for instance, and you are one who could have acted but decided to sit back and let it happen is to be blamed..."

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what about say an iraqi farmer who did nothing when vietnam got invaded....is the iraqi farmer to be blamed too?
Anonymous said…
layla
we've got to find you more readers. Maybe you should add arab streaming music with belly dancers video clip. No, we don't want you to dance, you're a bit long in tooth and it'll really drive the few people here away.
At the very least, music will offset the depressing articles you're writing and maybe, just maybe, it'll shut up our resident child (jr).
Anonymous said…
jr,
i thought the argument was much simpler... by being able to act, it simply means having the responsibility and oppertunity of action... for some just condemning it from their homes is enough, if thats the best they can do.. only they know whats the best they can do. one doesnt blame individuals (except individuals representing the leadership), you blame soceity, and the more there are oppertunities to act, more is the share of blame..
like suffering, blames and resposibilites are organic, real and living..
Anonymous said…
pot bellied pig u dirty disgusting little runt.......fuck off
Anonymous said…
ok anon i hear u.......as long as u do the best u can then thats good enough.....that'll do for me
LostHere said…
Forgive?
The audacity!

You are absolutely right, first the aggression has to stop, then reparations put in place (if there is such a thing, but I guess human life is not very valuable now days, certainly not that of Iraqis), and them HEALING... not an easy thing!

As for Jesus forgiving once... well, that is a good story but it takes an act of faith to believe it.

But talking about Jesus, perhaps those people that ask you to forgive (even without being able to forget, since the invaders are there in your face) are thinking of the "give the other cheek" teaching...
With that line of reasoning, I guess we could blame Iraqis for all the violence, after all, the invader only wanted to take the resources (in exchange of that exporting commodity that they call democracy), they did not wanted to die there (remember, we don't count Iraqi bodies, so we won’t mention you).

Looking back in recent history we can see an example of model behavior for an occupied country. Japan, look how docile and prosperous they are. Only three or four generations and they want to be "just like the US Americans"...

Then again, maybe we should blame everything on Saddam Hussein; after all He did not act like the Japanese Emperor, and never gave the surrender order.
So yes, I guess the puppets were right, it is all Saddam's fault.

Turn the other cheek!
Bend over!
Live in peace…
Anonymous said…
In the name of Allah, Beneficent, the Merciful. They are the enemy, therefore beware of them. Allah will never forgive them; surely Allah does not guide the transgressing people. siw
Anonymous said…
"surely Allah does not guide the transgressing people. "

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surely that is a very leading statement"
Anonymous said…
siw shall i not inform u of the biggest of the great sins???

to join partners in worship with allah...to be undutiful 2 ones parents
Anonymous said…
also......he who has in his heart the the weight of a mustard seed of pride shall not enter paradise (THAT MEANS ALL NATIONALISTS AND PATRIOTIC PEOPLE WILL BE BARRED FROM PARADISE)
A&Eiraqi said…
Dear Layla
Forgiveness is the only way to go on and it's the only thing could prove that we're still human not anything else.

But, we all should forgive at the same time not asking someone to forgive while the other is slaughtering him.

Allah kereem
Anonymous said…
jr Food for the mind is like food for the body: the inputs are never the same as the outputs. siw
Anonymous said…
jr When men are full of envy they disparage everthing, whether it be good or bad. siw
Anonymous said…
Salam Layla,

May Allah(swt) give you patience and strength to persevere in this dismal life.

I'm really saddened by all the turmoil in the world.:'(

United we stand, divided we fall. There is so much division.

An Iraqi friend of my husband told him that during Saddam's rule at one time there was no income tax, utilities were paid by the government, healthcare, education and many more services were for free. In the west we are slaves to taxes and banks, in so called freedom and so called democracy. The western leaders are all hypocrites!

I was wondering what is the national anthem of Iraq?

What will bring the people, shi'a, sunni, Turkmen, Assyrian, Kurd, Arab together as Iraqi's?

United we stand, divided we fall. We need unity.

I pray that we are all guided to righteousness.

I pray that leaders have an awakening of conscience.

I pray that all with weapons have an awakening of conscience and make righteous decisions and not say: "I'm following orders."

My dear Layla, may Allah(swt) give you patience and strength to persevere in your life in Islam.

Your sister
Fatma
Anonymous said…
To walk through the ruined cities of Iraq is to feel an actual doubt about the continuity of civilization. ...siw
Anonymous said…
Dear Layla
A profound Reflecion !
Thank you
I agree
You are right, healing happens when the abuser disappears and the process starts with liberation.

May Iraq be free soon !
God bless you and bless each Iraqi and every meter of the beautiful land of Iraq.

My love and solidarity always !
Salaam
Yolanda
Anonymous said…
Layla,

"Her" bridegroom did forgive the rapists .. but then maybe he was already full of "things to come" ..

As far as I am concerned, I am too busy trying to keep the "beast" in me at bay to allow myself the luxury of aspiring to the "angel" light years above me ..

Let's all HUMANLY leave it in the hands of time ..
Anonymous said…
Fatma,

You spoke the "sesame" to every desired thing: UNITY.

The day that not only the Iraqis, but ALL of our divided and enslaved Arab Nation graciously condescend to open their beautiful dreamy velvety-black eyes to this one and only reality ..

.. that blessed day will be the eve of the end of Zionism and the beginning of a new era of peace, justice and prosperity, not only for us, but also for the "West" and the terraqueous globe as a whole.
Angel said…
Hello Layla,

Interesting article. Could I forgive? Never in my lifeytime, maybe forgivness is for some future generations? Could I forget? Same answer.

Could I live side by side, with no violence? Yes, of course. How? I do not know. I would be looking over my shoulder, always.

Hala, the hands of time work slowly. The Storytellers will keep all of this alive. You may be able to tame the beast, through Father Time, if lucky enough.

Angels are forgiving to kindred spirits,though. If that comment was for me, smile, for I am well below you now.
Anonymous said…
JR,

[quote] "he who has in his heart the weight of a mustard seed of pride shall not enter paradise" (THAT MEANS ALL NATIONALISTS AND PATRIOTIC PEOPLE WILL BE BARRED FROM PARADISE) [end quote]

Our "pride" is DIGNITY, NOT hubris.

And our "nationalism" and "patriotism" is LOVE for our people, land, faith, culture and civilization, NOT hatred for those of others.

A friendly advice: leave THAT (mis)interpretation of Islam to the CIA/Pakistani ISI-run NUTHOUSE where it belongs ..
Anonymous said…
hala: Very estute observation! I concur. This misinterpretation is often used by stern gang tactitions. ..siw
Anonymous said…
Ideas that enter the mind under fire remain there securely and for ever. ..siw
Anonymous said…
A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Who is more entitled to be treated with the best companionship by me?" The Prophet said, "Your mother." The man said. "Who is next?" The Prophet said, "Your mother." The man further said, "Who is next?" The Prophet said, "Your mother." The man asked for the fourth time, "Who is next?" The Prophet said, "Your father. "

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i think we get the point
Anonymous said…
My father, seeing a silken cloak being sold, said, "O Allah's Apostle! Buy this and wear it on Fridays and when the foreign delegates pay a visit to you." He said, "This is worn only by that person who will have no share in the Hereafter." Later a few silken cloaks were given to the Prophet as a gift, and he sent one of those cloaks to 'Umar. 'Umar said (to the Prophet), "How can I wear it while you have said about it what you said?" The Prophet said, "I did not give it to you to wear but to sell or to give to someone else to wear." So 'Umar sent it to his (pagan) brother who was from the inhabitants of Mecca before he ('Umar's brother) embraced Islam.

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our prophet was a very wise man
Anonymous said…
Narrated Abu Qatada: The Prophet came out towards us, while carrying Umamah, the daughter of Abi Al-As (his grand-daughter) over his shoulder. He prayed, and when he wanted to bow, he put her down, and when he stood up, he lifted her up.

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r u allowed to played with kids when u r praying??
Anonymous said…
Allah's Apostle kissed Al-Hasan bin Ali while Al-Aqra' bin Habis At-Tamim was sitting beside him. Al-Aqra said, "I have ten children and I have never kissed anyone of them," Allah's Apostle cast a look at him and said, "Whoever is not merciful to others will not be treated mercifully."
Anonymous said…
Allah's Apostle said, "While a man was walking on a road. he became very thirsty. Then he came across a well, got down into it, drank (of its water) and then came out. Meanwhile he saw a dog panting and licking mud because of excessive thirst. The man said to himself "This dog is suffering from the same state of thirst as I did." So he went down the well (again) and filled his shoe (with water) and held it in his mouth and watered the dog. Allah thanked him for that deed and forgave him." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! Is there a reward for us in serving the animals?" He said, "(Yes) There is a reward for serving any animate (living being) ."
Anonymous said…
"O Allah's Apostle! I have two neighbors! To whom shall I send my gifts?" He said, "To the one whose gate in nearer to you."
Anonymous said…
A group of Jews entered upon the Prophet and said, "As-Samu-Alaikum." (i.e. death be upon you). I understood it and said, "Wa-Alaikum As-Samu wal-la'n. (death and the curse of Allah be Upon you)." Allah's Apostle said "Be calm, O 'Aisha! Allah loves that on, should be kind and lenient in all matters." I said, "O Allah's Apostle! Haven't you heard what they (the Jews) have said?" Allah's Apostle said "I have (already) said (to them) "And upon you ! "

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those dirty hook-nosed cocksuckers havent changed one bit
Anonymous said…
The Prophet was not one who would abuse (others) or say obscene words, or curse (others), and if he wanted to admonish anyone of us, he used to say: "What is wrong with him, his forehead be dusted!"
Anonymous said…
Allah's Apostle said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (i.e., an evil-doing), and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)."

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plz bear this in mind everyone
Anonymous said…
That he heard the Prophet saying, "If somebody accuses another of Fusuq (by calling him 'Fasiq' i.e. a wicked person) or accuses him of Kufr, such an accusation will revert to him (i.e. the accuser) if his companion (the accused) is innocent."
Anonymous said…
Allah's Apostle said, "Do not hate one another, and do not be jealous of one another, and do not desert each other, and O, Allah's worshipers! Be brothers. Lo! It is not permissible for any Muslim to desert (not talk to) his brother (Muslim) for more than three days."
Anonymous said…
Technique is noticed most markedly in the case of those who have not mastered it. ..siw
Anonymous said…
Allah's Apostle said, "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one. People asked, "O Allah's Apostle! It is all right to help him if he is oppressed, but how should we help him if he is an oppressor?" The Prophet said, "By preventing him from oppressing others."

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very clever!!
Anonymous said…
The Prophet said, "The most hated person in the sight of Allah is the most quarrelsome person."
Anonymous said…
Narrated Hudhaifa: I saw Allah's Apostle coming (or the Prophet came) to the dumps of some people and urinated there while standing .

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that was uncalled for
Anonymous said…
The Prophet forbade robbery (taking away what belongs to others without their permission), and also forbade mutilation (or maiming) of bodies.

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hole drillers take note
Anonymous said…
The Prophet entered Mecca and (at that time) there were three hundred-and-sixty idols around the Ka'ba. He started stabbing the idols with a stick he had in his hand and reciting: "Truth (Islam) has come and Falsehood (disbelief) has vanished."

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lol
Anonymous said…
Aisha said that she hung a curtain decorated with pictures (of animates) on a cupboard. The Prophet tore that curtain and she turned it into two cushions which remained in the house for the Prophet to sit on.

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not a man to be trifiled with
Anonymous said…
That she heard Allah's Apostle saying, "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar

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i DISAGREE
Anonymous said…
Abdullah bin Abu Hadrad Al-Aslami owed Kab bin Malik some money. One day the latter met the former and demanded his right, and their voices grew very loud. The Prophet passed by them and said, "O Ka'b," beckoning with his hand as if intending to say, "Deduct half the debts." So, Kab took half what the other owed him and remitted the other half.
Anonymous said…
Ar-Rabi, the daughter of An-Nadr broke the tooth of a girl, and the relatives of Ar-Rabi' requested the girl's relatives to accept the Irsh (compensation for wounds etc.) and forgive (the offender), but they refused. So, they went to the Prophet who ordered them to bring about retaliation. Anas bin An-Nadr asked, "O Allah"; Apostle! Will the tooth of Ar-Rabi' be broken? No, by Him Who has sent you with the Truth, her tooth will not be broken." The Prophet said, "O Anas! Allah"; law ordains retaliation." Later the relatives of the girl agreed and forgave her. The Prophet said, "There are some of Allah's slaves who, if they take an oath by Allah, are responded to by Allah i.e. their oath is fulfilled). Anas added, "The people agreed and accepted the Irsh."
Anonymous said…
If you can't see the deception in the quotes posted by JR, then you're blind.
Anonymous said…
A friendly advice: leave THAT (mis)interpretation of Islam to the CIA/Pakistani ISI-run NUTHOUSE where it belongs ..

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that was my own personal interpretation hala!
Anonymous said…
What can one do against the lunatic who is more intelligent than yourself, who gives your arguments a fair hearing and then persists in his lunacy?... siw
Anonymous said…
If thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought
Anonymous said…
In our age there is no such thing as 'keeping out of politics.' All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia
Anonymous said…
(Mankind) is not likely to salvage civilization unless he can evolve a system of good and evil which is independent of heaven and hell.
Anonymous said…
Men can only be happy when they do not assume that the object of life is happiness
Anonymous said…
"Camp" is popular because it gives people a sense of reality to see a replay of their lives. ..siw
Anonymous said…
Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simutaneously, eccepting both of them. ..siw
Anonymous said…
ok thank u siw we get the picture
Anonymous said…
Angel,

"the Storytellers will keep all of this alive"

Of course they will. They MUST.

The MEMORY of this unprecedented tragedy is to be engraved on each and every conscience as if into stone for all the centuries to come.

But then the debate is about "forgiveness", NOT "forgetfulness".

And still, "forgiveness" from a position of FORCE, "royal" pardon from the "throne" of victory and liberation granted onto the kneeling and entreating vanquished, NOT sickly saccharine Christianoid "self-vermification".

I personally doubt VERY MUCH that I will ever be able to forgive .. but I know for certain that I will NEVER allow myself to cross the "borderline" that separates Justice from Revenge ..

Just give me, us back my, our infinitely dear and sacred IRAQ .. and then fuck off in PEACE ..

For God only knows how TIRED of "having to hate" I, we all are ..

Take care of yourself.
Anonymous said…
Dumbest (sic!),

No one is "blind" on here.

We are all fully aware that JR is a JINNI posing as a human.

He is inoffensive, though, and also endearingly frolicsome and "LOL-provoking".

Let him keep us amused.
Anonymous said…
Alert..Alert...Alert.

Rumi has entered the blog.
Anonymous said…
Attention all Layla fans!!!
She just called me from Dubai and she needs some help. She is stuck on the roundabout in Sharjha and apparently can’t get off. There is a mass of tourists who apparently think the flowers adorning the roundabout are more attractive than the rest of Dubai. Plus, being a female doesn’t help the situation. You know they don’t know how to drive!
If anyone is in the Dubai area, please stop by and help her out. She’s driving a royal blue Mercedes S class. PLEASE…anyone named Mohammed should stay away. We don’t want our Layla mistaken as a terrorist and arrested!

Kindly,
Karim
Anonymous said…
Whoever stands by a just cause cannot possibly be called a terrorist. ..siw
Anonymous said…
America the road is your major architectural form. ..siw
Anonymous said…
ok can u shut up now siw
Anonymous said…
hala i thought we were friends???? what a horrible way to talk about someone you consider a friend
Anonymous said…
Attention all Layla fans!!!
She just called me from Dubai and she needs some help. She is stuck on the roundabout in Sharjha and apparently can’t get off. There is a mass of tourists who apparently think the flowers adorning the roundabout are more attractive than the rest of Dubai. Plus, being a female doesn’t help the situation. You know they don’t know how to drive!
If anyone is in the Dubai area, please stop by and help her out. She’s driving a royal blue Mercedes S class. PLEASE…anyone named Mohammed should stay away. We don’t want our Layla mistaken as a terrorist and arrested!

Kindly,
Karim

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what the fuck is point of this msg u stupid shithead?
Anonymous said…
hala i hope u will be apologising for speaking abt me in such a disparaging manner.....especially considering we were still mates at the time
Anonymous said…
jr Your ignorance of how to use newknowledge stockpiles exponentially. ..siw
Anonymous said…
JR,

I was only joking !! Man, aren't you touchy ..

Come to think of it .. you have literally flooded this thread with your oh so very carefully thought-out "selection" of quotes .. and yet you have not "revealed" to us what YOUR OWN PERSONAL sentiments on the post topic are ..

Would YOU be able/willing to "forgive" those rabid curs out of Hell ?
Anonymous said…
The Prophet said, "The most hated person in the sight of Allah is the most quarrelsome person."



That would be you jr.
Anonymous said…
"all terrorist have a just cause, just not the right one."
Anonymous said…
Be kind to Jr. He's PMS'ing.
Anonymous said…
The Prophet said, "The most hated person in the sight of Allah is the most quarrelsome person."



That would be you jr.

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fuck off anon u twat
Anonymous said…
Tinted said...
"all terrorist have a just cause, just not the right one."

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u 2
Anonymous said…
Anonymous said...
Be kind to Jr. He's PMS'ing.

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and u
Anonymous said…
"JR,

I was only joking !! Man, aren't you touchy .."

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well i hope so hala



"Come to think of it .. you have literally flooded this thread with your oh so very carefully thought-out "selection" of quotes .. and yet you have not "revealed" to us what YOUR OWN PERSONAL sentiments on the post topic are ..

Would YOU be able/willing to "forgive" those rabid curs out of Hell ? "

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NO hala i would not forgive them.....ever
Anonymous said…
...in fact, come to think of it hala....if any of my family was harmed i would make it my aim in life to kill every little fucker involved i could get my hands on
Anonymous said…
but thats by the bye hala.....plz cud u not make condescending remarks abt me again as it really pissed me off and spoilt my mood
Anonymous said…
im going to bed......ive had enuf of this shit day........gdnite hala
antiZionist said…
لن يكون هناك مسامحه في ضل أحتلال بغيط قابع علي صدور العراقين.لن يحل السلام علي العراق بدون الحصول علي عداله يشمل كل أطياف الشعب العراقي العريق.لن تجف الدوموع ماداما الموت يجري في أرض بلاد الرافدين.لن يتحقق السلام حتي لائي أنسان مادامت شعوب ألارض ترزخ تحت قدم ألامبريليه الجديده القديمه عاشت المقاومه عاش الاحرار عاش العراق المقاوم
Anonymous said…
Youʻve got more patience than I, Dear Layla, fielding the insensitive idiotic comments of so many imbeciles commenting here. Perhaps the only worth of their posts is to illustrate what an arrogant, cruel, self-righteous, supremacist, racist, fascist, hypocritical society these people come from - chief among them, the US, Britain & Israel (i.e. Brooklyn). Are THEY so ready to forgive the worst things one could possibly endure? We already know the answer to that one. Forgive all who transgressed against them. Open their prisons and let everyone out. Let them call for an end to all criminal courts which would no longer be needed since all is forgiven IN ADVANCE. Forgive the gang who raped their girlfriend or sister or daughter. Forgive the one who puts a blackjack upside their heads, leaving them partially paralyzed and blind. Forgive all the pedophiles, all the murderers among them. Yes, lets declare a forgiveness party in the western world and forgive everyone for everything, not only for what did, but for what they will do tomorrow and next year. Tell these people to write to their creditors and demand forgiveness of their debts (they know how far theyʻd get on that one). Tell them to forgive Hitler. Forgive, forgive, forgive. When they are ready to do all that, then and ONLY then should they have the gall to tell you to forgive ... by way of example.
Anonymous said…
JR,

"NO hala i would not forgive them.....ever"

Well, glad (and relieved) to hear you say that !

And then, tell me .. how do you account for the DELIBERATE scattering of not-so-subliminally pro-"turn the other cheek" mines you tried to pass off to us as "pearls of wisdom" all over this page ??
Anonymous said…
children must play..
Anonymous said…
TODAY, I AND YOU, SHOULD SALUTE YANAR MOHAMMED for leaving Canada and going to IRAQ to make a difference in the lives of Iraqi women.
Doing something.

Whether you think that you can, or that you can't, you are usually right. Henry Ford
Anonymous said…
im impressed too.........nice won yanar! (i hope she manages to stay safe)
Anonymous said…
Thank you, Layla, for this thought-provoking blog. In my view, and speaking for myself, when it comes to forgiveness for a such a high crime as Iraq, unfortunately and also because I am mere human, it is difficult to forgive. Crimes have been committed with the full knowledge of those who are committing them; despite every evidence that all the 'reasons' to invade and destroy Iraq/Iraqis have been exposed as great LIES, it has been reported that over 40% of Americans now still believe that President Saddam was responsible for 9/11....isn't that deliberately trying to ignore the truth? Besides, as Layla rightly puts it, how do you forgive when those concerned are persistently harming you, while, at the same time, they seek forgiveness? This doesn't make sense. Forgiveness, if at all, will come a lot later as the wounds and pain among Iraqis are still raw and still occuring.

In addition, I don't think that a single Iraqi is in the position to forgive on behalf of all Iraqis. If Layla, for instance, decides to forgive, the forgiveness represents herself only. To receive forgiveness, it has to come for EVERY Iraqi on Earth...and that is highly unlikely. I think those who seek forgiveness will eventually have to pay the price for the wrong they have done. And please don't bring Jesus into the debate....those asking for forgiveness did not bother to follow His first teaching: Love thy neighbour - perhaps, USans believe this to be only the person right next to their home....

Jr., the question of fault lies on SILENCE....if, when we know something is wrong, and we support it or keep silent about it, then we are as much to blame as the ones who commit the wrong. Because silence is interpreted as consent... And in your earlier posts, when you talk about blame, why, of all the people on this planet, did you single me out for blame, Jr.? For your information, and I say this with humility, I stand 'Not Guilty' in the eyes of Iraqis.....

Jr., I wonder how many posts you've included here? Idle man!!!!
Anonymous said…
And then, tell me .. how do you account for the DELIBERATE scattering of not-so-subliminally pro-"turn the other cheek" mines you tried to pass off to us as "pearls of wisdom" all over this page ??
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hala, when i am searching for answers that are not readily available, i automatically find myself clutching at the quran for guidance and under the section of forgivness these were the quotes that made any impression...
Angel said…
[هلا] ،
هو جيّدة أن يعرف لن يعبر أنت الخطّ بين عدل وإنتقام. موقعاتك عظيمة. متى يتمّ أنت يبدأ ك خاصّة [بلوغ] ؟
Anonymous said…
i think we're in the same boat little deer....i too would be found "not guilty" by any reasonable jury

and i wasn't blaming u!! i was just questioning if all the people in the us for example were to blame then that would include u 2
Anonymous said…
y r people suddenly starting to speak in arabic...........PLEASE CAN EVERYONE STICK TO ENGLISH
Anonymous said…
Youʻve got more patience than I, Dear Layla, fielding the insensitive idiotic comments of so many imbeciles commenting here. Perhaps the only worth of their posts is to illustrate what an arrogant, cruel, self-righteous, supremacist, racist, fascist, hypocritical society these people come from - chief among them, the US, Britain & Israel (i.e. Brooklyn).

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well said! dear layla plz ban all said muppets immediately
Anonymous said…
"those dirty hook-nosed cocksuckers havent changed one bit"

Jr.
I love you man.
Water under the brige...

I didn't see much of it but I hope you won some bets on Wimbly.

I did see the concert for Diana though.
Awesome show!
Anonymous said…
It like MK-ULTRA, Controling your brain suggestive thinking, causing your perspective to change. Wolf leslie Blitzer with the sickle pitch fork and machete. The end of the world, you not ready. When the templar knights took Jerusalem and figured out what was buired under Soloman's Temple AL Aksa the name is not coincidental. ...
Anonymous said…
JR,

"i automatically find myself clutching at the Quran for guidance"

You CLUTCHED at it ??

That explains the "mangling" !!

Next time you are going to consult the Qur'an or any other book of knowledge, do me a favor and FILE your "claws" beforehand ..

A personal question, if I may ask: how old are you ?
Anonymous said…
This is the point from which I could never return And if I back down now then forever I burn This is the point from which I could never retreat Cause if I turn back now there will never be peace From now on it can never be the same as before Cause the place that im from doesn't exist anymore. ...
Anonymous said…
hala u seem to be spoiling for an arguement....luckily im in a good mood so i dont want one

and my age is irrelevent!
unless u tell me yours first
Anonymous said…
yes ike i won LOADS.....so much so in fact, that ive decided to take the week off and invest some of my hard-earned winnings
Anonymous said…
"Anonymous said...
This is the point from which I could never return And if I back down now then forever I burn This is the point from which I could never retreat Cause if I turn back now there will never be peace From now on it can never be the same as before Cause the place that im from doesn't exist anymore."

--

don't give up the day job
Anonymous said…
JR,

I am 24.

What about you ?
Anonymous said…
jr Div#5 cut and paste crew?
Anonymous said…
Don't expect to hear from Layla soon. She's mad as hell. Noone went to help her at the roundabout yesterday and not only did her fattoush get soggy, but she pissed her pants!!!!
Anonymous said…
lol we're the same age hala!!!
Anonymous said…
Anonymous said...
jr Div#5 cut and paste crew?

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its division #3 now......theres been a few changes...streamlining etc
Anonymous said…
layla anwar is layla anwar
Anonymous said…
Spot on jr Don't Forget Who u Work For A Msg From The Ministry Of Home Land Security you'll Write What Your Told!
Anonymous said…
Well, a lot has been accomplished today.
Layla flooded her shoes and Jr will marry hala.

great job!
Anonymous said…
All Ran Away?
Anonymous said…
Anonymous,

A lot is actually being accomplished EVERY DAY .. MORE and MORE and MORE as time goes by .. though nothing we would reveal to YOU on here .. nor you could ever understand or accept ..

As for JR, I am oh so awfully sorry to have to thwart your plans, but I happen to be already engaged .. VERY, VERY, VERY engaged ..

Now YOU run away !
Anonymous said…
I hope she's not hs. If I can tag then someone else can too.

my butt better be covered better than that!
Anonymous said…
someone actually wants hala?!

my goodness. I guess misery really does love company.


(jk)
Anonymous said…
Layla,
I wanted to post a response to your topic here....

Dearest Layla....there is no understandable definition of forgivness due the things that Iraq and it's people have endured.
Not in my opinion...

Did the hook nosed "jews" forgive Hitler or the Luftwaffa?
By god any that did are surely not right in the head.

My own family holds it against me because I am not a forgiving person (depending on the offense).
And I am vindictive as well...

But in YOUR situation and the situation of Iraq....there is no forgivness.
How can you forgive the murder of children and innocent elderly?
How can you forgive rape and torture?
How can you forgive the destruction?

Some say it is possible, mostly by religious text teachings.
But not for me.

Some things are undeniably unforgivable.
If anything vindication is required.

Will I ever "forgive" Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Rove, Rice, and the infinite list of criminals who have destroyed your country and deeply damaged (on its way to destruction) mine?
No.
Never.

I would go to hell first.

And in my glorious vindctive nature I would love to take them with me...

Stay safe and keep your head on straight.
You are cared for and important.

Your friend,
Ike
Anonymous said…
Anonymous,

"someone actually wants hala?!"

MANY want "me" .. and again .. MORE and MORE and MORE as time goes by ..

OTHERS "want" me .. but they will NEVER "get" me .. NOR anything else ..

Sleep well ..
Layla Anwar said…
Hi everyone, except for the idiots.
Will try to reply later to most.
Please do NOT use my blog as a chat room. I do not wish to be forced back into comment moderation as it bores the hell out of me. Keep your comments to the topic, around the topic...
Bedroom issues and porn films are not tolerated. Thanks.
Anonymous said…
yeah hala we don't wanna hear abt your porn collection
Anonymous said…
Layla,

That was a sort of "coded message" specifically intended for the last 2 Anonymouses.

I was speaking in RIDDLES - and NOT about "bedroom" or "porn films" BY ANY MEANS.

Ask "Anonymous Ha" the "tagger" what I was alluding to ..

I am mortified that you misinterpreted it all.

Take care of yourself.

Yours affectionately,
Hala
Anonymous said…
Typo: "Anonymous" period, without "Ha".
Anonymous said…
Hala, are you the same CNN Hala Gorani reporting of late from Baghdad wearing those tight jeans and interviewing Soooni and Shieyte
Eyerakis from their homes?
Anonymous said…
WELCOME TO JR's CHAT BLOG
Anonymous said…
jr, member in hand enjoying the attention, ready to spurt. His momma told him he was witty when he was a child and alas, that is still imprinted in his brain and will be till the end. Incessant
adjustment to mediocrity, like so many on this board brainwashed by occidental propaganda.
Anonymous said…
Forgive this?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=456_1177473318
Anonymous said…
That was mine - Diana
Anonymous said…
JR's JR,

Cold, colder ..

Try again.
Anonymous said…
"Some things are not forgivable, deliberate cruelty is NOT FORGIVABLE!" - Blanche Dubois in "A Streetcar Named Desire"
Anonymous said…
Arthur Silber said it best:

"Even if we left Iraq within the next few months and made all those reparations that are possible, as we should and must, we must never think there will be forgiveness for what we have done.

Some acts are so terrible that they cannot be reversed, or repaired. The invasion and occupation of Iraq is such an act, indeed a long, horrifying series of such acts. We all prefer to believe in redemption, but there are times when redemption is no longer possible.

It is not possible here. We will not be forgiven, and we should not be. We have destroyed redemption for ourselves, as we have destroyed countless lives and an entire country."

http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2007/04/shattered-lives.html
Anonymous said…
... Anonymous said...
Forgive this? (link deleted)...

First, yes, there are a very small percentage of horrible, rotten people in the US Military, who have done the unspeakable.

And then there are guys who are just assholes in the US Military.

Most US Military are kids - 18-22 years old - and are good people, who volunteered to go to war to fight for Iraq and her people.

No matter how much anyone wants to believe all US Military are the former, and thus the guy in this video HAS to be military...

The reality is, he has probably never been in the military or served in Iraq.

Note the obvious wearing of a t-shirt meant to look "military" (an actor wearing his costume)

Note the entirely shaved head (soldiers and Marines wear "high and tight" hair styles, not bald heads)

Military, past and present, unless they were looking to intentionally lose any military benefits and receive at the least a dishonorable discharge - and in this case, prison time - would never admit on video to what this guy admitted to.

Also note the constant guzzling of the beer (and actor playing his role), to make it appear that he was drunk and spilling his guts. He was no more drunk than I am right now (I'm not, for the record).

The set up on the video is a guy sitting with his 2 buddies, confessing everything, and knowing one of them has a camera turned on him.

First, we're expected to believe this guy would risk his freedom, knowing he's being taped.

And then we're expected to believe one of his buddies turns his drunken confession into an entertainment video for the internet.

Bottom line, if this was actually a military person (active or inactive) talking on this video, he would have already been nailed and hammered publicly for this confession by the military who would use its condemnation and legal action to its own benefit in the way of much needed PR. Remember, the military regularly checks these video services, because they pick up quite a bit of good intel from them.

For those members of the US Military who have committed crimes against Iraqis, I am first in line to call for their conviction and harsh punishment.

However, Diana, an American spreading an obvious HOAX video created by some dipsticks who have too much time on their hands, no class and no link to the military, in an attempt to paint all Americans with the same criminal brush in your attempt to make yourself look sane is about as low as one can sink.

You want to show off REAL videos of what Americans are doing wrong - and follow that up with responsible reporting of said videos to the appropriate authorities - that's fine.

But being irresponsible, when you know that hoax video can breed hatred for innocent young men and women who wouldn't dream of doing anything like what that man described, makes you a twisted, mean woman

For the record, I would feel the same had she posted a hoax video of an Iraqi bragging about terrible things he did to Americans that could breed hatred for Iraqis.

People who intentionally spread hatred are twisted.

Laura
Anonymous said…
Laura,
of course you are not a born liar, you became one soon after your birth. What a perfect ameronazi you are! And a proud one, right?
Anonymous said…
Laura Hypocrite,

It is not a matter of "apples", good or bad.

Your "tree" is diseased AT THE ROOT.

EITHER you transplant it back where it belongs OR we will burn it down.

The choice is YOURS.
Anonymous said…
Jr
I don't think you really want Hala. She has some serious thunder thighs that'll put a hold on you like you've never known.
Anonymous said…
Standing Ovation to Laura!

BRAVO..BRAVO...NOW YOU MAY A BOW.
Anonymous said…
Lightening Strikes & Co.

When in the world will you realize that this is a POLITICAL blog and NOT your high-school corridor ?

Layla,

For God's sake, come back and make your territory RESPECTED !
Anonymous said…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFU6OS0ZmTM

ek din bik jayega, mati ke mol,
jag main rah jayenge, pyaare tere bol
ek din bik jayega, mati ke mol,
jag main rah jayenge, pyaare tere bol
duje ke hotho pe lekar apne geet,
koi nishani chod, phir duniyase gol
ek din bik jayega, mati ke mol,
jag main rah jayenge, pyaare tere bol
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anhony path main kaante, lakh bichaye
honi to phir bhi bichda yaar milayeee
anhony path main kaante, lakh bichaye
honi to phir bhi bichda yaar milayeee
ye birha, ye duri, do pal ki majburi,
phir koi dilwala kahe ko ghabraye tarampamp
dhara to beheti hai, behete reheti hai
beheti dhara banja, phir duniya se bol
ek din bik jayega, mati ke mol,
jag main rah jayenge, pyaare tere bol
la la laalalalaaaaaaaaa
la la laalalalaaaaaaaaa

parde ke piche baithi, sawal gori
tham ke tere mere mann ki dori
parde ke piche baithi, sawal gori
tham ke tere mere mann ki dori
ye dori na choote, ye bandhan na toote,
bhor honewali hai, ab raina hai thodi tarampamp
sar ko jhukaye tu, baitha kyun hai yaar
gori se naina jod, phir duniya se bol
ek din bik jayega, mati ke mol,
jag main rah jayenge, pyaare tere bol
duje ke hotho pe lekar apne geet,
koi nishani chod, phir duniyase gol
ek din bik jayega, mati ke mol,
jag main rah jayenge, pyaare tere bol
LA LA LAALALALAAAAAAAAA
LA LA LAALALALAAAAAAAAA
Anonymous said…
"jr said...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFU6OS0ZmTM
ek din bik jayega, mati ke mol,"

Jr is a South Asian mama's boy after all! Ingrained in him that
he is witty.
--------------------------------
jr, member in hand enjoying the attention, ready to spurt. His momma told him he was witty when he was a child and alas, that is still imprinted in his brain and will be till the end. Incessant
adjustment to mediocrity, like so many on this board brainwashed by occidental propaganda.
Anonymous said…
Anonymous and Hala, I understand how some Iraqis may feel there's nothing good about Americans because of the actions of a few. There are (judging by the blogs) also many Iraqis who believe in the dream, democracy and America's intentions as much as I do.

When all is said and done, regardless of our views on the war or each other, we all - Americans and Iraqis - want the war to end and America's sons to come home and Iraq's sons to run a free Iraq for the PEOPLE.

If you want to paint all Americans with the same brush Diana wishes to paint us with her attempt at brown-nosing, that's your choice.

As for me, I admit the temptation to see all Muslims as I see Al Qaeda and their kind is strong. But I refuse to give into that temptation, because common sense tells me that the terrorists want to kill Iraqis just as much as they want to kill Americans if it results in them gaining ultimate power. And common sense tells me that every person should be judged by their own deeds, and not the deeds of others.

So I won't stoop to the name calling and the put downs, and I won't let hate and anger and fear blind me to what I know is reality.

I enjoy reading Layla's blog and appreciate her candidness.

Laura
Anonymous said…
Laura,
I've got a feeling that you are not only an ameronazi par excellence, but also a consummate zionazi. The lies and hubris that you here show off clearly point in that direction ....
Anonymous said…
Laura (Bush ??),

"There are (judging by the blogs) also many Iraqis who believe in the dream, democracy and America's intentions as much as I do."

Yeah .. I don't doubt there were also many French who believed in Vichy's "dream", many Italians who believed in Salò's "dream" etc. etc., to the orgasmic delight of their oh so "well-intentioned" Nazi "dream givers" ..

Those so-called "Iraqis" are nothing but COLLABORATIONISTS.

Or, if you prefer, SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF RABID MANGY FLEA-RIDDEN STRAY CURS.

LOYAL Iraqis believe in REALITY, THEIR OWN reality, and will NEVER trade it for all the FOREIGN "dreams" in the world.

Take all of your decadent "freedom", Zionistic "demoncrazy", Pax AmeriKKKana, Al-CIAda big bad wolves and whatever else you "fraternally" wished to "share" with us and, once again, FUCK OFF in PEACE.

And you have our WORD OF HONOR that NONE of us will (give a shit about) follow(ing) you to the death-bed of your SUICIDAL civilization.

Say goodnight from us to your Pygmy "hubby" in the Dark, Dark House.

My worst "disregards",

Hala S.
Anonymous said…
Ah, Annonymous and Hala -

I turned the other cheek, you slapped it. Hope it made you feel better.

At this point, you can continue to be angry and nasty (how the Jews got dragged into this post is beyond me), and accomplish nothing but heated name calling on someone else's blog, or you can stand up for yourself and your community in the way it really counts.

If you don't want America to rebuild Iraq, or govern you, that's cool - I'm sure we can find other ways to spend our tax dollars.

But if we don't do it, you must - so run for office, set up groups to clean up the neighborhoods and arrest the criminals, build playgrounds for the kids, patrol your streets against the militias and terrorists who drive their bomb-laden cars into your schools and markets and execute your men, women and children for no reason and dump them in the rivers.

Take back Iraq and govern yourselves, and America and the allies will be glad to go back to their homelands and wish you well.

But as long as the war you fight is against someone like me, who was simply calling Diana out on posting an video that's obviously a HOAX to anyone with more than a 38 IQ, well, it's not really much of a fight.

I know it's hard to be optimistic under the situation you've experienced, but only you and your people can fight the real war - not against me, because all your cursing and flailing won't hurt me. But against the real enemies - the guys who, if we leave, will envelope your family in their terror, worse than anything Saddam ever even contemplated.

Here, I'm turning back to the 1st cheek. Have fun:)

Laura (not Bush:))
Anonymous said…
Hers/Theirs is not a SUICIDAL civilization, it's a GENOCIDAL one!!!
Anonymous said…
Laura,
your incessant spouting of hubristic ameronazi bullshit is a good proof that your IQ does not reach the size of your shoes ...
Anonymous said…
WELCOME TO JR's CHAT BLOG
Anonymous said…
jr is probably busy copying&pasting the Kamasutram - in Sanskrit ...
Anonymous said…
Laura,

The so-called "Al-Qaeda" terrorists are none other than CIA/Mossad/Iranian/Saudi financed, armed and trained AGENTS PROVOCATEURS instructed to fuel the flames of an ARTIFICIALLY FABRICATED "civil war" in order to disgregate the once EGALITARIAN and SECULAR Iraqi society along racial and religious lines and eventually lead to the "Balkanization" and sharing-out of the once UNITED Iraqi State among the occupational powers.

It is called EL SALVADOR OPTION.
Anonymous said…
If you don't want America to rebuild Iraq, or govern you, that's cool - I'm sure we can find other ways to spend our tax dollars.

--

u don't really read laylas blog do u??
Anonymous said…
Jr's jr said...
"jr said...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFU6OS0ZmTM
ek din bik jayega, mati ke mol,"

Jr is a South Asian mama's boy after all! Ingrained in him that
he is witty.
--------------------------------
jr, member in hand enjoying the attention, ready to spurt. His momma told him he was witty when he was a child and alas, that is still imprinted in his brain and will be till the end. Incessant
adjustment to mediocrity, like so many on this board brainwashed by occidental propaganda.

--

can u stop following me around like a bad smell
Anonymous said…
Anonymous said...
WELCOME TO JR's CHAT BLOG

--

how many times r u going to repeat yourself?
Anonymous said…
Anonymous said...
jr is probably busy copying&pasting the Kamasutram - in Sanskrit ...

--

can u plz stop making such pointless remarks......layla has made it clear this blog is for discussion on the topics posted...plz have the decency to respect her wishes
Anonymous said…
Anonymous said...
Laura,
your incessant spouting of hubristic ameronazi bullshit is a good proof that your IQ does not reach the size of your shoes ...

--

in which case she probably has no idea wot uve just said
Anonymous said…
hi layla.....if ure not 2 busy plz cud u make another post.....this one has been debated to death
Anonymous said…
sorry.....where r my manners.....thanks layla
Anonymous said…
Anonymous,

"Hers/Theirs is not a SUICIDAL civilization, it's a GENOCIDAL one!!!"

It is BOTH, just like its "model" Rome and all arrogant, stupid and barbaric would-be "Titans" in mankind's history.
Anonymous said…
well said hala
Anonymous said…
LAYLA!!!!!!

your blog has grown legs of it's own and is crawling thru shit, knee deep!

Go see the swami guy, drink carrot juice (or prune), or eat a bran muffin! Do whatever it takes to revitalize your aging body.

Jr and Hala, you useless wind-bags. Stop messing this blog up. This is no way to treat the "honorable Layla Anwar"!!!!
Anonymous said…
Anonymous said... ... yes, there are a very small percentage of horrible, rotten people in the US Military, who have done the unspeakable.

==============

How pathetic your weak defenses are. In light of everything that has been done to Iraq in plain sight of the whole world you still cling to the excuse of "a few rotten apples."

Let me fill you in on something you can neither hear nor admit, but I'll say it anyway -- the entire US military is rotten through and through. Get it? This military has invaded and occupied a country that did nothing whatsoever to us, with the blessings of a majority of its citizens who had a lust for revenge and took it out on innocent people. The only exceptions are those few who, like Watada, have refused to be deployed. They are the only heroes. The rest are ignorant pawns, at best, and willing participants at worse.

There is no possible defense for the rape, pillage and destruction of an entire nation, the killing of over a million innocent people, the displacement of another 4 million refugees, the torture and humiliation of its men, the rape of its daughters, billed and sold to gullible saps like you as a war of "liberation," a war to bring "democracy." I would call it a hoax were it not for the fact that you, and others of your ilk, are willing dupes. You'll believe anything that panders to your need to feel good about yourself. You want so desparately to believe in your own righteousness even as you support the worst state-sponsored criminal acts imaginable. That's your hubris, that's your crime of complicity.

You can hide your guilt behind illusionary facades, but the truth will, in the end, find you, and stab you in your cold, dead, heart.
Anonymous said…
Grey (March) Hare,

"Jr and Hala, you useless wind-bags"

Indeed we are.

EVERY freedom loving heart is a small "Aeolus' bag" containing its own share of a NEW WIND destined to burst out into a REVOLUTIONARY windstorm and sweep away the leaden clouds of AmeriKKKa's Zionazi tyranny from the skies of Iraq, the Arab Nation and the whole enslaved world.

Now apologize to Layla for the mess YOU have made of her blog and go drink up "that" blessed tea !
Anonymous said…
all ran away?
Anonymous said…
Hala

I agree completely with all your points !!!!! WEll said
May the world be free from the **zionevildoers**. May Iraq be free from the greedy occupiers and they leave soon in shame ... right now ! and the Arab world becomes united ! Peace will only happen then.... freedom and justice.
Karma.. sweet karma will happen soon. I pray
Thank you

Yes please respect Layla s blog !
Layla I sent you an email... looking forward to your reply
Salaam
Anonymous said…
les visable smoking mirrors! Mr Zionazi Herr Obernecongruppenfuhrer Chertoff to the white courtesy phone.
Anonymous said…
I'm a 40 year old American man who found this site via a random browsing service called "StumbleUpon"

Human history is an endless stream of violence and reprisal. There is no group of people who hasn't been victimized by another, and has some pretext for revenge.

Germany killed millions of Jews in WWII... Should Israel use nuclear weapons on Germany today?

I don't ask or expect Muslims to forgive and forget the injuries done to them, any more than the Jews will forget the Holocaust.

As an atheist, and as an American of no particular race beyond "white" (Icelandic, Austrian, Swedish, Dutch, English, French, and a bunch of other ethnicities) I have no particular reason to love or hate any religious or ethnic faction.

I, and a vast majority of Americans DO NOT KNOW and DO NOT CARE how the violence is rationalized or excused... and we don't really care if "you folks" want to slaughter each other.

We want to live our lives and raise our kids without having to worry about some wacko blowing himself up and us with him.

The Arab / Muslim world wants us out of Iraq? Be careful what you ask for, you might get it! Given the political situation here in the states, it is likely that we will be leaving Iraq relatively soon, and an invasion of Iran isn't going to happen.

So, what happens next? I don't know, but I will tell you this: If you think we are so degenerate and weak that we're just going to fade away so a global caliphate can emerge, I want some of what you're smoking.

When we leave Iraq, we're no longer going to be interested in curbing sectarian violence, building schools or infrastructure... Won't be our problem. Who is going to step up and create order? We've seen how well the Palestinians have done since the Israelis have walked away... and how the Muslim world has been so supportive in organizing and rebuilding... What is going to happen in Iraq once the evil and corrupt ameriKKKers have left?

As strange as it may sound, please consider this: By our standards, we have gone out of our way to be KIND and GENTLE in Afghanistan and Iraq. Muslims might disagree, but that's not the point... The point is that the population of the United States isn't going to collectively crawl into a hole and die because you're seething at us!

In or out of Iraq, we are still going to be driving to work, filling up our cars with gas, paying bills and all the other minutiae of a modern society.

If that society is threatened, and sending troops in isn't an option, what do you think we are going to do? Say, "Oh, well!" and shuffle off into dhimmitude?

Iran has obvious aspirations to getting nuclear weapons. We may or may not be able to stop them, but what do you think the U.S. would do if New York City was attacked with a nuclear weapon? What do you think Israel would do if they were nuked?

Against the U.S., the Muslim world CANNOT WIN. Look at the results of killing three-odd thousand of us!

The only reason why U.S. soldiers are dying now is we are trying to stabilize and rebuild, not kill wholesale. Back us into a corner, threaten our way of life and wantonly murder us... and we shall slaughter you, to the last man, woman, and child if need be.

Build and use nuclear weapons and use them against us or Israel, and kill hundreds of thousands of us, or even millions? Yeah, and to paraphrase our WWII Admiral Halsey, when our counterstrike is over the religion of Islam will be practiced only in Hell.

--Griz
Anonymous said…
"Anonymous said...
I'm a 40 year old American man who found this site via a random browsing service called "StumbleUpon""

Above, yet another stupid, American motherfucker who needs to be "Stomped Upon"
Anonymous said…
Isreali IAF air strikes to commence Tues July 17th. ...privee
Anonymous said…
Griz,
you are the consummate ameronazi and zionazi barbarian! Your decrepid nazi brain seems to be able to produce only this type of hubristic nazi crap. But it's good to have you here, so the whole world can see what kind of primitive bloodthirsty barbarians you Americans and Israhellis are! BTW, to call you an animal would be an insult to the animal kingdom ...
Anonymous said…
"Above, yet another stupid, American motherfucker who needs to be "Stomped Upon""

Ah, this would be the fabled "Religion of Peace". Please hold your breath while I beat a hasty path to the nearest Mosque and pledge my slavish devotion to Allah. Or not.

"you are the consummate ameronazi and zionazi barbarian!"

Ah, *I* am the barbarian. Sorry, but I'm not the one sawing off the heads of hostages on videotape, sniping or setting off IEDs while hiding behind women and children, or any of the other countless examples of "civilized" Islamic behavior.

As I tried to make clear, I don't really care who is right or wrong or evil or holy. My point is that if the Islamic world insists on (A) "stomping" the interests of the U. S. of A. or (B) dying trying... It's gonna be "B".

You folks need to give up on wiping out the Jews. They have at least 200 nuclear weapons, and they aren't going to stroll quietly into the gas chambers this time.

You folks need to give up on imposing your beliefs on others at the point of a sword. Because it's no longer the 7th Century, and guns and planes and missiles have replaced the sword and spear... When you folks fight a modern (i.e. Western) force, what happens? We slaughter you. Why do insurgents hide behind women's skirts? Because in a stand up fight, toe to toe, we slaughter them.

I don't hate Muslims, and I'd love to see a peaceful and happy Iraq, Muslims and Jews living peacefully together in the Holy Lands, etc., but it's time for Muslims to realize that they are at least half of the problem, and resorting to terrorism and hateful propaganda is going to gain them nothing but pain, squalor, and death.

--Griz
Anonymous said…
Griz,
aka ameronazi and zionazi ultraprimitive barbarian, your mental castration seems to be not only the product of your nazi environment but also of the degeneration of your genome makeup. Check it up, it could just be inbredness. It's quite a frequent phenomenon amongst degenerates of your ilk ...
Anonymous said…
Layla wrote,
"In the meantime, She will continue driving you out by the same and equal sheer force that you have used on Her.
Read Her history and you will know."

You were controlled by the Mongols, Ottoman Turks, Persians and the British in the past 10 centuries. Have you read your history?
Anonymous said…
"Check it up, it could just be inbredness"

Ha! an Arab accuses an American of being inbred.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1226/p09s01-coop.html
Anonymous said…
This site seems to have attracted some typical delusional Americans, such 'laura' 'anonymous' who seem to think Iraqis should be grateful to them for destroying their land and lives........Stupid Laura, take your filthy mass printed dollars and place them where they belong - in the loo, where they can be used for toilet paper. Or, better still, use them to pay China to mass-produce body bags - these will be needed for the vermin which has infested Iraq and which Iraq Resistance will be fumigating out of Iraq...

America 'rebuilding' Iraq? HOW? WHO destroyed Iraq? It was fine until the scum of the earth stepped inside it. Americans (USans)have perfected ONLY one art - stealing (through plunder, rape and destruction).
Anonymous said…
canadian atheist zionazi barbarian, I really must disappoint you: I'm not an Arab.
How come you interpret that sentence of mine as an accusation? BTW, you show the same symptoms as Griz (his name and "job" here - and yours too - remind one of Goebbels, who's being totally dwarfed by you two masters; any association of Griz with grizzly is of course out of place ...)
Anonymous said…
"Griz,
aka ameronazi and zionazi ultraprimitive barbarian,"

Is that all you've got? Can you actually intelligently rebut any of the points I've made, or are you just going to continue to act like a stereotypical seething Muslim nutjob?

"some typical delusional Americans, such 'laura' 'anonymous' who seem to think Iraqis should be grateful to them for destroying their land and lives"

I don't expect Iraqis to be grateful for anything. I had hoped that being repeatedly torn through by our military like a wet paper bag would have convinced them that it was time to quit fighting us, and each other. On the other hand, expecting sanity and restraint from any part of the Muslim world has proven to be ludicrously over-optimistic.

As I've repeatedly tried to point out, right or wrong isn't the issue. Defying those that can squash you like a bug isn't a bright thing to do, and that is exactly what anyone who threatens U.S. national interests is doing.

It may be a cultural thing, but do you realize just how amusing to secular Westerners your "insults" are? We know what Nazis are, we defeated them while the Arab world collaborated with them, and shares their irrational hatred of Jews to this day. We know that our ethnic diversity is an asset, and with the exception of a few rural anachronisms we're as far from inbred as you can get. We have no tradition of marrying our cousins, as the Arab world does.

"pay China to mass-produce body bags - these will be needed for the vermin which has infested Iraq and which Iraq Resistance will be fumigating out of Iraq"

You're dreaming. The Iraqi insurgency has not won a single battle, and most days we suffer more casualties from traffic accidents and heatstroke than enemy gunfire and explosives.

But, take heart. There is every reason to believe that we are going to be pulling out of Iraq soon... And may Allah have mercy upon Iraqi souls, for the United States shall not.
Anonymous said…
Griz,
aka ameronazi and zionazi ultraprimitive barbarian, there really is no need for any "rebuttal" of your zionazi hubristic crap. There are tons of the same primitive bullshit on ameronazi and zionazi sites, with the same words, the same hubris and the same primitive barbarity behind the words. Just keep on barbarizing, barbarian ...
Anonymous said…
IAF Pilots Don't! If you proceed with Operation Falcons Flight an-Naqab will surely turn to green glass and your creators i.e.britishyiddish amerika will deny any involvement. The israel state does not exist.
Anonymous said…
Griz and Cloud-Cuckoo-Land Co.,

"If you think we are so degenerate and weak that we're just going to fade away so a global caliphate can emerge .."

Give us a break with your "global caliphate" ORWELLIAN BULLSHIT !!!

For the nth time, we on this board do NOT believe in Al-Qaeda's ideology - NOR in its EXISTENCE, for that matter ..

The Iraqi Resistance, which has seized the Zionazi bull by the horns and is slowly but inexorably driving its head to the ground, is made up of UNITARIAN, FREEDOM-LOVING and EGALITARIAN Iraqis of ALL ethnic, religious, class etc. backgrounds co-ordinated by their LEGITIMATE leadership (i.e. the Ba'ath Party) gone underground, targets EXCLUSIVELY occupiers and collaborators, and aims at driving the Zion-Anglo-Amero-Persian REAL "Axis of Evil" out of the NATIONAL boundaries .. PERIOD.

Stop brutalizing yourselves on Fox News scaremongering Propaganda and learn to think, feel and act again like adult Homo Sapiens Sapiens specimens worthy of the name - ON YOUR OWN.
Anonymous said…
The Vatican has all it,s Detroit assets up for sale! wakey wakey.
Anonymous said…
Little Deer
How is life in Europe?? Can't imagine why an "islam" loving girl would chose to live in europe when you have so many other arab countries to live.

What is it..the education, the freedom, the oppurtunity???

I think the real reason (you will not admit) is the sharia law. No woman in their right mind would 'want' to live under that system.
you know it, I know it and the whole damn world is starting to see. ISLAM IS WRONG.
Anonymous said…
Wow, another brainless zionazi mental castrato! And what an expert in law and religion and psychology and culture! And of course the indispensable hallmark of zionazi barbarity and goyim-hatred: "ISLAM IS WRONG". You really should be awarded Nobel Zionazi Barbarity Prize!
Angel said…
Hi Layla,

There are so many anonymous's on your site. How do you know which anonymous is which, and which anonymous said what? How do you run a thread, when they are all anonymous?

From what your group of anonymous's are saying, it's no wonder they wish to stay anonymous. Too mindful of their normally 'nice' blogging name and nature.

Anonymity is used to hide behind, but you and I both know
الشمس مجموعات في الغرب ، كما هو الحال في الشرق. الفرق الوحيد هو الغطرسه.
Anonymous said…
angel what the following mean:

الشمس مجموعات في الغرب ، كما هو الحال في الشرق. الفرق الوحيد هو الغطرسه
Anonymous said…
Grey Hare said...
LAYLA!!!!!!

your blog has grown legs of it's own and is crawling thru shit, knee deep!

Go see the swami guy, drink carrot juice (or prune), or eat a bran muffin! Do whatever it takes to revitalize your aging body.

Jr and Hala, you useless wind-bags. Stop messing this blog up. This is no way to treat the "honorable Layla Anwar"!!!!

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"greg hare" for the hundredth time u knobshining cocksucker piss off bag to your own shitty blog
Anonymous said…
Layla I sent you an email... looking forward to your reply
Salaam

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layla never replies to my emails!!!
Anonymous said…
whoops accidentally pressed # there...apologies
Anonymous said…
Anonymous said...
"Anonymous said...
I'm a 40 year old American man who found this site via a random browsing service called "StumbleUpon""

Above, yet another stupid, American motherfucker who needs to be "Stomped Upon"

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anon is positively SEETHING with rage.....and rightly so in my humble opinion

another dumb fat yank who doesn't have a clue what hes talking abt.
this little gem really illustrates for me how retarded these americans are:
"By our standards, we have gone out of our way to be KIND and GENTLE in Afghanistan and Iraq."

"griz" u gormless fat lump of shit.........plz do everyone a favour and FUCK OFF
Anonymous said…
Anonymous Cheeky Bastard,

There was NO "fundamentalism", either Islamic or of any other religion, in Iraq under the enlightened, secular and progressive Ba'athist government.

It was YOU together with your stage "enemies" and behind-the-scenes bed mates the IRANIANS who have brought it to us.

If you expect us to ever sit back and just watch your satanic alliance turning the CRADLE OF CIVILIZATION into a slaughterhouse and a breeding ground for your agents provocateurs and fall guys, then WE want to know what YOU are smoking.

As for my and most Iraqis' faith being right or wrong, unless you are already dead and posting from the hereafter, you simply COULD NOT know it ;-)

So come off your high horse of self-righteousness and learn to respect, if not appreciate, the INFINITE VARIETY of thoughts and feelings in humankind.
Anonymous said…
"Check it up, it could just be inbredness"

Ha! an Arab accuses an American of being inbred.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1226/p09s01-coop.html

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canadian zionist u tramp why r do continue pretending ure not a jew???
Anonymous said…
hello hala
Anonymous said…
Angel said...
Hi Layla,

There are so many anonymous's on your site. How do you know which anonymous is which, and which anonymous said what? How do you run a thread, when they are all anonymous?

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good point angel......plz could people stop being such morons and just give themselves a name....its not really that difficult
Anonymous said…
layla plz make another post!!! we have debated the topic raised in your post and the final overwhelming conclusion is that NO, you cannot forgive.
Anonymous said…
"hello hala"

Good evening Dr. Gibrekyll.

Hi Mr. JRyde !

;-)
Anonymous said…
You are right, Layla. As a U.S. citizen, I would feel the same way if Iraq had invaded America.

I did not sit idle here while it happened, but my voice and millions of others around the world were crushed into the dirt as our "leaders" proceeded with this terrible war.

I come to read your thoughts because they are unvarnished with soothing words. I point others to this blog. They should know the truth as you see it.

I don't ask for your forgiveness, but I do say that I am deeply, personally sorry.
Anonymous said…
(aka)khalil gibran/ jr / (jk)/Canadian Atheist/ anon/who knows how many other Pseudonyms? STOP HI-JACKING THIS BLOG!
Anonymous said…
Anonymous Sorry,

We don't want apologies from the enlightened Americans but ACTION.

Stop intellectually masturbating, rise up in ARMS and take back the reins of your history.

We will be supporting your cause by all available means.

I wish you good luck.

Sincerely,
Hala S.
Anonymous said…
"there really is no need for any 'rebuttal' of your zionazi hubristic crap."

Thanks for admitting you can't.

"the enlightened, secular and progressive Ba'athist government."

Yeah, nothing but chocolate rivers and gumdrop smiles in Iraq under Saddam...

"If you expect us to ever sit back and just watch..."

Fine, don't. We'll keep on killing insurgents until we get tired of wading in their blood, and then go home. And Iraqis can go back to killing each other, not that trying to kill us distracted them much from that!

"'griz' u gormless fat lump of shit.........plz do everyone a favour and FUCK OFF"

Make me, Slave of God.

That really is the problem that the Muslim world has... You want Western ideas, culture, economics, and national interests to submit to your will. Why? Because you'll froth and seethe, riot in the streets, burn cars, stab artists, strap bombs to yourselves to murder random passers-by?

You aren't winning friends, you aren't winning battles, and you certainly aren't winning the war.

If you expect to force the U.S. to do anything, you'll need the capability to FORCE us... and you don't have that. If America decided tomorrow to wipe out every single living Muslim on the planet, we could do it.

Every breath that a Muslim takes is a gift from Uncle Sam. And, behind all your Zionist conspiracy theories and hateful rhetoric, you KNOW IT. No wonder you're such a pack of embittered little whiners.

-Griz
Anonymous said…
Griz History Illiterate,

"Yeah, nothing but chocolate rivers and gumdrops smiles under Saddam"

For the LOYAL Iraqis, you can bet the last dollar in your Levi's Jeans back pocket, there were.

Obviously, CRIMINALS and SPIES were reserved a different treatment - as in every other ORGANIZED human society.

"And Iraqis can go back to killing each other"

We have NEVER been killing each other UNTIL your uniformed locusts stormed in and turned our orderly, peaceful and prosperous world upside down.

Just fuck the hell off and we guarantee you that everything will go back to its natural and rightful place.
Anonymous said…
Khalil aka jr

You little peace of shit Layla has answered every e-mail I sent her.

Grow up!!!

She will not waste her time on shit.
Anonymous said…
Griz,
aka ameronazi and zionazi ultraprimitive barbarian, where and when did I "admit" I "can't"? You are just a nazi psycopath, incapable of rational thinking. BTW, are you posting from a mental hospital? That's the place you belong to, psycopath ...
Anonymous said…
Anonymous said...
Khalil aka jr

You little peace of shit Layla has answered every e-mail I sent her.

Grow up!!!

She will not waste her time on shit.

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anon u wankstain u sound very bitter.......from which i can only assume the reason is i took the piss out of u....well tough titty u dickhead
Anonymous said…
Anonymous said...
(aka)khalil gibran/ jr / (jk)/Canadian Atheist/ anon/who knows how many other Pseudonyms? STOP HI-JACKING THIS BLOG!


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FUCK OFF u twat
Anonymous said…
hala said...
"hello hala"

Good evening Dr. Gibrekyll.

Hi Mr. JRyde !

;-)

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;-)
Anonymous said…
"griz" u retarded son of a bitch how many times......FUCK OFF
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